superchargers

[3.8stanger]

i keep seeing these crazy modifactions with diffrent superchargers alot of em off of 03 cobras but ive seen v6 superchargers for poniacs and mercuries things like that some look like their pretty closely realated to our engines is it possible to modify them to fit


this guy did a great job http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2452794

[Kirk]

Yes Tom did an awesome job on the conversion.

It all comes down to what you want out of your car.

http://www.v6power.net/dyno/m112_CDRStang_261_282.jpg

[Kirk]

A friend of mine here in town has a 00? V6 and has already bought the M112 and whatnot for this setup.

Not sure when he's going to start the work, but Im pretty sure he wants me to help out.

I think he's waiting on the intake manifold for it.

He needs a custom lower intake for the blower to fit.

Keep us updated on that build Mickey.

[3.8stanger]

that setup though looks pretty amazing they actually have a forum setup

[3.8stanger]

they also how superchargers for v6's though off other cars that look similair. they look like they would take less fabrication and cash but i could be wrong im reffering to the poniacs and oldmobiles idk what the results would be either just throwing it out there

[3.8stanger]

good point !!!!! i just like the super chargers


turbo for a grand ???? i thought it would be at least 2 what kind ????

[flyin_hawaiin]

Yes Tom did an awesome job on the conversion.

It all comes down to what you want out of your car.

http://www.v6power.net/dyno/m112_CDRStang_261_282.jpg

kirk..

what is that graph from? It seriously looks like it could benefit from some timing.. that is with smoothing on 5 and its all choppy.. thats a telltale sign of not nearly enough timing in a motor.. im really surprised that on an positive displacement blower like that, he has the a/f lean down low.. thats the peak torque (cylinder pressure) area... thats why the graph looks so much smoother down there..

[jefflouis]

good point !!!!! i just like the super chargers


turbo for a grand ???? i thought it would be at least 2 what kind ????

if you know how to weld it can be done for a grand.

[tomzac]

kirk..

what is that graph from? It seriously looks like it could benefit from some timing.. that is with smoothing on 5 and its all choppy.. thats a telltale sign of not nearly enough timing in a motor.. im really surprised that on an positive displacement blower like that, he has the a/f lean down low.. thats the peak torque (cylinder pressure) area... thats why the graph looks so much smoother down there..
That's the graph from my dyno tune. We tried some extra timing up top but it didn't make any more power. I'm assuming the cycling curve distortion is due to my extremely small intake volume and not having any resistance, like an innercooler, between the blower outlet and the cylinder intake which would help balance pressure differences and turbulence in the air charge. I have wondered if my afr was a little lean in the 2.5-4k area. I suppose I could add a little more fuel to the table, it wouldn't hurt anything.

[flyin_hawaiin]

That's the graph from my dyno tune. We tried some extra timing up top but it didn't make any more power. I'm assuming the cycling curve distortion is due to my extremely small intake volume and not having any resistance, like an innercooler, between the blower outlet and the cylinder intake which would help balance pressure differences and turbulence in the air charge. I have wondered if my afr was a little lean in the 2.5-4k area. I suppose I could add a little more fuel to the table, it wouldn't hurt anything.

even if it didnt pick up any power, im sure it would ahve smoothed the graph out alot... i bet the car would run quicker with some more timing up top even though the power #s dont reflect it... i would richen it up between 2500-4000 like you said too.. good luck

[tomzac]

even if it didnt pick up any power, im sure it would ahve smoothed the graph out alot...
How? Could you explain how not enough timing can have this effect and is this a harmful condition?

[flyin_hawaiin]

How? Could you explain how not enough timing can have this effect and is this a harmful condition?

i didnt say it would be harmful, but you can obviously tell from the graph that the car is not running smoothly... a smooth running car will accelerate quicker and probably be beneficial to the condition of the motor... in other words, why do you do tune ups? A tune up may not give you more HP, but it will help the car run more efficiently..

again, just my $.02 from past experiences..

good luck!

[tomzac]

i didnt say it would be harmful, but you can obviously tell from the graph that the car is not running smoothly... a smooth running car will accelerate quicker and probably be beneficial to the condition of the motor... in other words, why do you do tune ups? A tune up may not give you more HP, but it will help the car run more efficiently..

again, just my $.02 from past experiences..

good luck!
No you didn't say it would be harmful, but I thought I would ask. I understand the concept of it running efficiently and obviously it could be better. That's why I asked your opinion. Judging from your website you have the experience. I do not. And with a setup like I have, I welcome and appreciate information from those who know. :)

[Kirk]

You are in new territory for your setup.

[flyin_hawaiin]

No you didn't say it would be harmful, but I thought I would ask. I understand the concept of it running efficiently and obviously it could be better. That's why I asked your opinion. Judging from your website you have the experience. I do not. And with a setup like I have, I welcome and appreciate information from those who know. :)

np.. i will try to help all i can..

thanks bob

[tomzac]

np.. i will try to help all i can..

thanks bob
Cool. I probably won't go much further with this setup because of the stock engine internals. I'm working on designing a pre-charge cooler and will be trading the 3.55 pulley for a Lightning pulley this spring. I think they are 3.15, I'm not sure. I'm also designing a new 2-piece intake system that will be innercooled and incorporate a kb or Whipple. So far my request for specs from kb and Whipple have gone unanswered. May be I shouldn't have mentioned the setup is for a v6. :spanka:

[3.8stanger]

so i was told by someone that an m90 supercharger could be mounted on an 99-04 with a head swap

[jefflouis]

Yeah, to do that, you have to switch to the single port heads (pre-1999).