Top five

[BBATCO1]

Well I got bumped of the top five last week. That pissed me off. I finally got my **** to hook, and regained my place :banana: It will hopefully take much more than that to bump me next year so better get working. I hope nobody forces me to put the big pills in..... :shifter:

[Greg@GLD]

Bob, bigtime congrats on joining the single-digit club. Looked great from the tower!

Danno post up that video man!!!!

[1slo5.0]

Congrats Bob! Your car is flying! :rockon:

[QTRMILE]

Nice work Bob :beer:

Be happy while you're there. Me and my new nitrous kit are coming for ya ;) :burnout:

[BBATCO1]

You have to remember its just a little one, and street driven regularly. I only race on DOT tires also. I have a nice size box in the garage that says DART on the side so I may be okay......

[Jesse James]

Congrats Bob!! WoooHoooo Single Digits!!

[markstang]

That was cool I had the best seat in the house, trying to catch your bumper.... thats why my reaction time was so bad, I wanted to see you go down the track on your 1st 9 sec pass :D

welcom to the club :rockon:

by the way, who did you knock off to get back on the top 5.


Mark

[QTRMILE]

http://www.midwestmustangassociation.com/vb3/timeslips.php?&do=quarter

He knocked Darrel back down to #6. Its pretty cool the top 5 are all single digit cars!

[BBATCO1]

I had to pimp Darrell off. Good thing his car is apart or I might have to PILL UP. I am dying to see the video so i can see how the launch looked. I guess my home installed suspension is working. 1.40 with no transbrake on a DOT tire ain't to bad....

[markstang]

holy crap! I just looked at my time slip & it will put me at #2. I guess I'll need to update my MMA time slip data after last night also.


Mark

[1slo5.0]

I had to pimp Darrell off. Good thing his car is apart or I might have to PILL UP. I am dying to see the video so i can see how the launch looked. I guess my home installed suspension is working. 1.40 with no transbrake on a DOT tire ain't to bad....


I guess those 347s aren't so bad are they Bob :p I just wish my engine was as reliable as yours. Must be that rod to stroke thingy :D


Looks like I need to find me some really big nitrous jets now....

[Greg@GLD]

holy crap! I just looked at my time slip & it will put me at #2. I guess I'll need to update my MMA time slip data after last night also.


Mark

I wondered about that too!!! :D

:worshippy :shifter:

[Mark302]

Congrats Mark and Bob!!! Great times!!!


Wow congrats Darrell on the new best!!!! Tell us more about that pass, MR. SECRETS!!!

This isn't the secret board....

[Nick 1]

I guess those 347s aren't so bad are they Bob :p I just wish my engine was as reliable as yours. Must be that rod to stroke thingy :D



That's funny Darrell........................ :D



Nick 1

[Nick 1]

Congrats Mark & Bob on the new Et's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Both cars looked & ran great last night. :shifter:



Nick 1

[BBATCO1]

Thanks all.

[Greg@GLD]

http://www.midwestmustangassociation.com/vb3/timeslips.php?&do=quarter

He knocked Darrel back down to #6. Its pretty cool the top 5 are all single digit cars!

4 of the top five are 4-eyed stangs!! :D

[NO CHANCE]

I'd love to see that video too...

[quietflow]

Congrats on the new times guys:)

[1slo5.0]

I don't post my times anywhere. I wonder if the same guy that put a license plate that said "bitch" on my truck last week is the same one that changed my info???????? Can't stay logged in any where these days. At least he was thinking very posittively when he invented a new ET for me. I can assure everyone that my car is no where near that fast. More like low 12s........

[BBATCO1]

If your car ran low twelves on nut then mine is still in the thirteens...

[1slo5.0]

If your car ran low twelves on nut then mine is still in the thirteens...


Your car runs 13s? I never would have thought it was that fast :p

[Mark302]

Ya, and it is common to split you block once you get in the 13's so BE CAREFUL.............

[Greg@GLD]

Uh oh Bob! I think we got a new member here and he's FAST. :D

[Greg@GLD]

Bob, I regret to inform you that you just got bumped off again. :hehe:


http://www.mach1media.org/images/mmatop5.jpg



You're gonna have to bump Steve off the top five dude. ;)

[Kirk]

I love a little friendly competition. :D

[Greg@GLD]

Guess he's gonna have to break out those big pills now!! :D :D :hehe:

[Mark302]

Wow!!! We have a lot of single digit guys here!!!!

Once Mike updates his I think it will push Bob back too........I know he went 13 something!!!

[Greg@GLD]

Maybe we will have to expand that to show the top ten... ;)

[BBATCO1]

I know you all want to push me back I understand. Rest assured you will have your work cut out for you. I work extremely hard to be where I am. I do 90% of the work myself including all chassis, suspension, and tuning. My chassis dyno is a nice piece of asphalt right by my house.I have always made this car a driver. I go to cruise night every week, usually take the long way home to visit some of my favorite "spots". I have aquired a "new" driver(90notch) with a lil 302 that will be my every day cruiser. So my trusty old 86 that I have owned since 93 is going to get the treatment this winter. Most have an idea, but the same most have no idea. I assure you I will be able to cruise whenever nesessary, but the hammer will drop much harder.

[BBATCO1]

Oh another ramble. I think it would be nice if the people on the list posted here a bit, as I know two don't, or I have never seen it. Not to bitch or anything but John force owes me a favor and I may have to get him to register....

[Greg@GLD]

I'm too slow to push anyone back Bob, but it's all fun regardless. Bust out the bigger pills and spray your way to the top 5 again. :beer: :rockon:

[Greg@GLD]

Oh another ramble. I think it would be nice if the people on the list posted here a bit, as I know two don't, or I have never seen it. Not to bitch or anything but John force owes me a favor and I may have to get him to register....

I know Orange67 appeared one day and hasn't been heard from since, and Rex331 moved away.... Rich just joined us today, give him a chance to post! :D

[BBATCO1]

Thats not a problem. I was just making a point. I have seen Rich run many times car is impressive, especially for the suspension on the car. It proves simplicity can work, very cool. I really don't care too much about it though(top five) as if it were street cars that are driven frequently it would all be different and to me thats what matters. I started this thread to give Darrell **** for fun thats all. Trust me I have only a little street car so I can't and don't expect to be king. I will leave that for the race cars.......

[Greg@GLD]

Well, figure Bob Kurgan could post his times too if he wanted...

Lots of fast cars here. Then there's me and Darrel and the rest of us slowpokes. :D

[1slo5.0]

Yep, slow folk like me and Greg need more spots than a race track has to offer...

[Jim]

don't forget about us slow guys with no power adders too..................................

[1slo5.0]

"Wausau's baddest car on jack stands"

[Kool Rock Steady]

Greg those guys are carb'd. How about a EFI top 5..lol Until Bob posts his 8 sec times

[drag79stang]

Yeah, top N/A cars, maybe?.........Dayummm. Maybe I"ll have to toss on Dales 'toy' spray gun, (little antique 175 hp juiceomatic setup), and break something just to bump up higher. :>)

Nice times everyone!

[Greg@GLD]

We have those abilties already, the timeslip database rocks.

QUICKEST WITH NO POWER ADDER (http://www.midwestmustangassociation.com/vb3/timeslips.php?&do=na)

GREG MAKES TOP FIVE! (http://www.midwestmustangassociation.com/vb3/timeslips.php?&do=rwhp)

:D :D

[Greg@GLD]

Go here: http://www.midwestmustangassociation.com/vb3/timeslips.php?

use the "SORT BY" function. Have fun! :D

[upngo50]

Need a induction option that says Ram Air.....I can't exactly say I am N/A and I definitely can't say I have SC or N2O

[QTRMILE]

We have those abilties already, the timeslip database rocks.

QUICKEST WITH NO POWER ADDER (http://www.midwestmustangassociation.com/vb3/timeslips.php?&do=na)

:D :D
woohooo! I'm #5 :rockon:

Awe yeah, I'm #1 (http://www.midwestmustangassociation.com/vb3/timeslips.php?&do=slip) :banana: :banana:


I do all my own work on mine too. I'm too poor to get people to do stuff for me, lol. If it needs done, I do it or talk a buddy into teaching me to do it :beer:

[QTRMILE]

Need a induction option that says Ram Air.....I can't exactly say I am N/A and I definitely can't say I have SC or N2O
Ram air is N/A.

[Mark302]

Nice numbers N/A!!!

[upngo50]

Ram air is N/A.

I disagree. It is force induction, but not to the extreme a sc or turbo does it.

[Greg@GLD]

Well, no, not really. Ram Air does not raise manifold pressure, so it really is not "forced induction" per se. The air must still be drawn into the cylinders via the downward motion of the pistons on the intake stroke

[Greg@GLD]

Well yes, that's what I'm saying, it's not forced induction, you would not see anything on a boost guage with ram air.

[upngo50]

Your still forcing more air in than the engine would otherwise draw in so I have a hard time view it as a completely n/a engine. It is a form of induction when removed reduces the performance of the car much like a sc.

In stock car racing you cannot run a ram air unit unless it came factory on the car because it is not a natural form of induction. Your using forward motion of the car to pack more air in just like a sc pack more air in via the impeller, but not enough to show excess pressure in the form of boost on a gauge.

[Jim]

Your still forcing more air in than the engine would otherwise draw in so I have a hard time view it as a completely n/a engine. It is a form of induction when removed reduces the performance of the car much like a sc.

In stock car racing you cannot run a ram air unit unless it came factory on the car because it is not a natural form of induction. Your using forward motion of the car to pack more air in just like a sc pack more air in via the impeller, but not enough to show excess pressure in the form of boost on a gauge.
what about a no ram air car with a 40 mph headwind? what would that be?

[quietflow]

IMO, Ram Air is N/A

[Greg@GLD]

Your still forcing more air in than the engine would otherwise draw in so I have a hard time view it as a completely n/a engine. It is a form of induction when removed reduces the performance of the car much like a sc.

In stock car racing you cannot run a ram air unit unless it came factory on the car because it is not a natural form of induction. Your using forward motion of the car to pack more air in just like a sc pack more air in via the impeller, but not enough to show excess pressure in the form of boost on a gauge.


I have to respectfully disagree. Think this thru please dude-

1. The amount of moving air (CFM) needed to cause positive pressure to build up behind the intake valves is tremendous, you are not going to be able to create that with a ram air system, no way.

2. Since you use the prospect of getting more air into the motor as a classification for "forced induction" then one could argue that a bigger air filter, throttle body, intake or higher lift cam all do the same things; they make it so more air is drawn into the open intake valves as the piston is on the downstroke.

The defining factor is the manifold absolute pressure. if we took any "N/A" combo and connected a boost guage like I have (the kind that reads negative pressure as well as positive) and we added a ram air system, even at speeds approching 100 MPH or more I do not believe that the boost guage would come close to registering anyting but a vaccum, because the CFM required to overcome the amount of air being naturally drawn into the motor
is tremendous. Why do you think a supercharger or turbo impeller spins in the tens of thousands of RPM versus the speed of the crank? because there is a need to move CFM in such a volume as to overcome the 14.7PSI of the atmosphere.and the vaccum created by the downstroke of the piston.

The primary benefit of "ram air" is to bring cooler, unheated air from outside the engine compartment into the intake system. In recent years, "Ram Air" has been changed to "Cold Air" or "Fresh air"


No flames bro, just a good debate here. :thumbs_up :beer:

[markstang]

How about "Top 5 Cars on Jackstands with No motors or front clip and can't remember how to put back together" guys?:)

LOL Dan your the king of that list. :thumbs_up just remember that once you are at the top, everybody is trying to knock you off. & the only way is down. :rolleyes: I'll be on the jackstand list this winter, & I'm going for #1. :rockon:

wow I just got back from a road trip to Tenn. I guess I missed a lot.


Mark

[Cobrawife]

Welcome back Mark...!

[markstang]

Thanks Greg I'm still numb from spending 2 days in a car....



Mark

[Cobrawife]

Thanks Greg my but is still numb....



Mark


Ok, not touching that one!!! :thud:

[markstang]

I guess I set myshelf up big time on that one..... I drove 1600 miles round trip in 2 days. :thud:



Mark

[markstang]

I was in Bristol Tennessee looking at a machine for my work. left monday at 6am & got back tues night at 8:30pm.

[QTRMILE]

ugh, I hate driving that much. Last summer I drove from the NJ coast back to Iowa. 1100 miles in one day. I left early that morning, pee'd in an apple juice jug, and only stopped for gas once (my sister's Honda.) That was a long day my friends...

[markstang]

thats a long haul 1100mi in 1 day.... It's hard for me to go the speed limet when you drive that much in 1 or 2 days. I went 85-90 most of the day yesterday.


Mark

[upngo50]

I have to respectfully disagree. Think this thru please dude-

1. The amount of moving air (CFM) needed to cause positive pressure to build up behind the intake valves is tremendous, you are not going to be able to create that with a ram air system, no way.

2. Since you use the prospect of getting more air into the motor as a classification for "forced induction" then one could argue that a bigger air filter, throttle body, intake or higher lift cam all do the same things; they make it so more air is drawn into the open intake valves as the piston is on the downstroke.

The defining factor is the manifold absolute pressure. if we took any "N/A" combo and connected a boost guage like I have (the kind that reads negative pressure as well as positive) and we added a ram air system, even at speeds approching 100 MPH or more I do not believe that the boost guage would come close to registering anyting but a vaccum, because the CFM required to overcome the amount of air being naturally drawn into the motor
is tremendous. Why do you think a supercharger or turbo impeller spins in the tens of thousands of RPM versus the speed of the crank? because there is a need to move CFM in such a volume as to overcome the 14.7PSI of the atmosphere.and the vaccum created by the downstroke of the piston.

The primary benefit of "ram air" is to bring cooler, unheated air from outside the engine compartment into the intake system. In recent years, "Ram Air" has been changed to "Cold Air" or "Fresh air"


No flames bro, just a good debate here. :thumbs_up :beer:

no worries...it has been clearly proven to me that it is not forced induction, but I still have a hard time seeing it as nothing more than N/A (not to belittle n/a cars or anything to that effect.)

[Alexwi]

thats a long haul 1100mi in 1 day.... It's hard for me to go the speed limet when you drive that much in 1 or 2 days. I went 85-90 most of the day yesterday.


Mark

Not to hi-jack thread, but I'm heading down to Pulaski, Tennessee this weekend and was not sure if I should head down via 57 through Il or head down 65 through Indiana.....Mark, which way did you go 'cuz I'd like to travel at those same speeds. Going down there with three others from my gun club and we will be shooting in the US Nationals of Field Target....figure about 1400 miles RT and two days of shooting inbetween....

[Greg@GLD]

This thread has gone off in several directions, so don't sweat it Alex.

[markstang]

Not to hi-jack thread, but I'm heading down to Pulaski, Tennessee this weekend and was not sure if I should head down via 57 through Il or head down 65 through Indiana.....Mark, which way did you go 'cuz I'd like to travel at those same speeds. Going down there with three others from my gun club and we will be shooting in the US Nationals of Field Target....figure about 1400 miles RT and two days of shooting inbetween....


I took I65. I didn't see that many smokes on the whole trip..... but you never know on your trip..... have fun, its cool down there. :thumbs_up


Mark

[MAT88GT]

65 is good....beware of construction though

[RICH JELINEK]

Hey guys, just thought I'd drop in for a bit. Greg told me that BBATCO would be P'd off that I bumped him. Sounds like he's got big plans for the winter though!!!
I too have done EVERY BIT of work and fabrication on my car ( all but the trans ) and believe it or not alot of the parts on it are used/second hand stuff. I'd love to have all the latest/greatest new parts but sometimes I can barely afford to this with used parts.
I do appreciate the fact that BBATCO ( I think it was you anyway? ) mentioned how well my car works for how simple the rear suspension is. I haven't upgraded to a better set-up mostly due to the fact that I seem to find something else to spend my budgeted $$$ on, and also that I figured out how to make what I have work pretty well - so why mess with it??.
I'l be at the track a few more times this year, mostly to test some radials, before I tear the car apart for winter. The engine is waaaayy overdue for a freshening/rebuild, and I'm finally going to ditch the HYDRAULIC roller and go with a solid roller cam. among other things.
I was ready to head up to the track this afternoon when it started pouring. I might go up tomorrow, but I'll definitely see you guys on sunday to whip on the bowtie boys!!!

C-YA, :burnout:

[BBATCO1]

I was suprised to see the ssm bars on your car. I used them for years and they worked great, but when I started to get faster the stopped working. I do run Dot tires(hoosier qtp's) so that may have been part of it. My car always unloaded right after launch causing tire spin after the initial hook. I tried everything. I used the same springs and air bag as you also. I have since went with a Anti roll, and strait lower bars and got the hook back and then some.

I truly love to see people going fast when they do it them selfs, at least as much as they are able. It has to be good feeling to go that fast with a 8.2 deck on that suspension, in a car that you built.......

[RICH JELINEK]

Yeah, it does feel good!!! Thanks for the compliment.
As far as my rear susp. goes - I'll have the BFG drag radials on for tomorrow, so I'm going to find out how they'll work with my simple set-up. If I can get it to the 330' mark the rest should go okay, we'll see. That's all I'm really going to do the rest of this year is play around and try out a few different things with the car so I'm not totally lost when next season starts.

See ya up there. :thumbs_up

[Chuck]

If I didnt have to work tomorrow I would be there with my new ET Streets. Guess I will have to wait until the 9th.

[markstang]

man the air was killer all day today. around 400-500' alt.... I have my car ready, the trailer loaded up & truck pluged in ( it was 35 deg saturday when I went to work at 6:30am :eek: )

I think if the track has any hook it will be a killer day. :rockon:


BBATCO up up for some more 9 sec passes? I have the grill loaded up & some big ass burgers to cook on it..... your car has a 9.7 in it with my new slicks. :shifter:



Mark